Un minuto de silencio por una comunidad abandonada (RedUsers)

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Desde hace bastante tiempo que eh participado (a veces más, a veces menos) de los foros de RedUsers (ex- Tectimes) editorial de la famosa-y-venida-a-menos revista USERS, entre otras.
Foros que hoy por hoy (desde hace rato en realidad) están en decadencia debido al abandono que han sufrido por parte de las personas responsables de hacerlos funcionar.

Un poco de historia antigua

Para poder continuar, debería hacer un resumen histórico de estos foros y porque decidí escribir sobre ellos.

La primera vez que ingrese, fue a mediados del 2001. En aquel entonces, eran unos foros muy primitivos (demasiado para la época) recuerdo que ni siquiera agrupaban mensajes por tema. Así y todo, varias veces pude consultar mis dudas recibiendo una respuesta rápida y amable, por parte de quienes participaban en el mismo.
Luego vino lo que yo considero fue su época “dorada” y a la que la mayoría hace referencia cuando habla de “los viejos foros de TecTimes”. En lo técnico no tenían nada de especial, aunque ahora el formato era similar a lo de la mayoría de los foros, si bien no tenían muchas de las características que eran comunes en la mayoría, eran usables y fáciles de seguir (sin ir muy lejos). Con una comunidad muy buena que con el paso del tiempo se fue agrandando y afianzando. Ninguno de los que estábamos ahí eramos supergenios de algún tema en particular (aunque algunos se acercaban bastante) y sin embargo, gracias a esta comunidad, quienes se acercaban al foro, se quedaban. Algunos más, otros menos, pero la comunidad crecía.

Y acá quiero hacer el primer incapie ya que estamos hablando de la comunidad y es el hecho de que salvo muy raras ocasiones, en estos foros no participaba ninguna persona allegada a la revista. De hecho (sin estar 100% seguro) me atrevería a decir que jamas participo algunas de las “estrellas” que tanto hablan de comunidades en sus notas de la revista.
No había moderadores en aquella época, todo era manejado por la buena fe de los usuarios. Esto permitió que algunos temas puedan “subirse de tono”, permitiendo cosas como posts que consistían en hacer puteadas o minas ligeras de ropa.
Toda esta libertad obviamente trajo una serie de problemas que en principio no eran tales, como discusiones con “tono elevado” llegando en algunos casos a insultos racistas o personales, de hecho, un usuario me había amenazado de muerte por no estar de acuerdo con el respecto a su idea de que Google sacaría un sistema operativo basado en Ubuntu (que se tornaron bastante molestas e incluso insistió en seguir con ellas por mail)
Este lindo desastre, fue contrarrestado por los administradores y dueños del foro eligiendo moderadores de la comunidad (y elegidos por la misma) claro que “de buena fe” y fue ahí donde comence a ser moderador de dicho foro.
En principio el remedio fue peor que la enfermedad,  armándose “enfrentamientos” entre determinados grupos de usuarios y los nuevos moderadores que regimos una suerte de “mano dura” y muchas cosas que antes pasaban sin problema, ahora se controlaban un poco más (algunas lo admito, en exceso)
Y este grupo de moderadores continuamos “trabajando” bastante tiempo, sin tantos problemas conforme se fueron calmando las aguas de la “mano dura” y donde la actividad se redujo a mover temas fuera de lugar y cerrar threads de SPAM.
En este punto el foro nuevamente comenzó a crecer. Había, de hecho, un lindo grupo de administradores que se encargaban de solucionar inconvenientes y por sobre todo, ser la base a la que recurrimos los moderadores ante algún inconveniente con el foro (como ya aclare, eramos simples usuarios con ciertos privilegios, no teníamos ninguna relación con la editorial)

Un poco de historia actual

Ahora la editorial quiso prenderse un poco de la “web 2.0” (sabía decisión si la hubieran llevado bien) y comenzaron a darle un poco más de importancia al foro como “generador de contenidos” publicando algunos comentarios en la revista y cosas similares. Luego hicieron una reestructuración del portal y acá es donde todo se derrumbo.

Por que? Por el abandono. El nuevo portal es  “fantástico” integra el foro con las noticias que se publican, se pueden acceder a los blogs que escriben los miembros de la editorial, etc etc … Pero el foro nuevamente se convirtió en tierra de nadie. Los administradores que tanto habían trabajado en su momento dejaron de formar parte de la editorial (aunque sus cuentas del foro aun tenian permisos, para que se den cuenta de lo terrible del abandono) y los moderadores quedamos a la deriva.
De este último tiempo no puedo hablar mucho como moderador, debido a que ultimamente no me podía permitir pasar mucho tiempo y simplemente me daba una vuelta para leer un par de temas y borrar uno que otro spam, pero la situación se volvió insostenible. El nuevo foro tenia algunos problemas, había fallos técnicos por todos lados (servidores caidos, bases de datos que no respondían, imágenes que faltaban). Incluso en el foro de moderadores solo se leían temas de pedido de explicaciones por parte de los moderadores activos (que terminaron siendo 2 o 3 para estas alturas) pero sin respuestas de los administradores que son quienes realmente podían tomar decisiones ahí.

Conclusión…

De todo esto, creo que se pueden desprender varias cosas. Lo principal, creo, es que nuevamente queda demostrado que la mayoría de las veces se subestima a las comunidades web y creen que por el simple hecho de poner un sitio web y no mantenerlo, este va a crecer por sí mismo.
RedUsers (o TecTimes, como prefieran)  a pesar de todo tenia una linda comunidad formada en sus foros y de hecho, esto puede verse en, por ejemplo, Comunidad Argentina. Un foro formado por muchos de los que fueron víctimas de la mano dura excesiva o bien no estaban de acuerdo con los cambios que tuvo el foro en aquel entonces y que ha ido creciendo e incluso gano muchos de los usuarios que salieron despavoridos del foro actual por las situaciones que ya nombre (No, yo no, siendo uno de los responsables que muchos hayan sido baneados de RedUsers no creo que sea muy bienvenido, pero eso ya es otra historia je)

En lo personal creo que podría sacar varias conclusiones, principalmente el hecho de que no sirvo para moderar un foro, pero más allá de eso, lo malas que pueden resultar las “malas interpretaciones”

Es decir, RedUsers tenía (y de hecho, tiene) mucho para ganar, siendo la principal revista de informática de Argentina (que no quiere decir la mejor) con un contra y es la crisis por la que estan pasando muchas revistas impresas y teniendo todo en sus manos para poder fomentar una comunidad online (un tema de moda) que a su vez lleve a la venta de sus revistas, pareciera que se creyó el hecho de que el negocio de la web 2.0 es “tirar una semilla y sentarse a esperar”

Pero en fin, es solo una opinión personal en parte por la decepción que me da ver morir una comunidad de la cual me eh sentido parte… después de todo, ellos son los que manejan una gran editorial, no yo :D

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  • La verdad, una lástima RedUSERS, ya ni la revista da para comprar. Me parece que soy otro que migrará a otro foro. Saludos.

  • p4bl1t0

    thesis, pasate por comunidad argentina que esta hasta claudiobar ahi, y se respira aire a viejas buenas epocas por ahi, no tengas miedo, el tiempo borra conflictos olvidables y pavos, y pasate por ahi, que la seccion de linux se mueve. Saludos

  • claudiobar

    Tiene razon p4bl1t0, fui recibido en Comunidad Argentina con muy buena onda, inclusive varios de CA se unieron a Aldeabit, los viejos rencores fueron olvidados y hay 2 comunidades (CA y Aldea) donde podemos expresarnos libremente, te esperamos en cualquiera de ellas, o en las 2 inclusive, veni que no hay problema. Saludos

  • rvsebas

    En los foros siempre hay diferencias y yo reconozco que me enoje con mas de uno administrador pero siempre todo se charla y siempre entendi la postura de los demas, ultimamente solo estaba entrando al foro de RU y mucho a taringa pero en ComunidadArgentina encontre mucha gente conocia y copada es un lugar tranquilo sin censuras y con mucha libertad para todos !!!!

  • hernán

    Viendolo desde afuera, la diferencia entre CA y Aldea, y RU, es que este último es parte de un negocio, se maneja bajo otros conceptos (económicos, otras prioridades, etc.). Sin ir más lejos, varios de los administradores nos fuimos yendo de la editorial en estos últimos meses, y eso llevó a una pérdida de control sobre los foros, la comunidad, etc. Una lástima porque en la editorial hay un grupo humano buenísimo, y en los foros una comunidad buenísima también, pero evidentemente no tienen las mismas prioridades o el foco puesto en lo mismo.

  • Tehsis

    Bien, me unire a Comunidad Argentina, veremos que pasa :D

  • MagoBlanco

    Hola Tehsis… después de un montón de tiempo en que el foro de noticias no se movió, intuí que algo estaba pasando, más allá de los problemas técnicos que se extendían en el tiempo (podían deberse a miles de razones), pero empezaron a pasar otras cosas, como usurpamiento de identidades (cito en especial a Matías Iácono, con quien hemos debatido fuertemente, tan MS él, tan Linux yo… y de pronto aparece su nick con comentarios que nada tenían que ver con él y nadie que lo arreglara y él mismo MI que no apareciera… me llamó mucho la atención…(si, ya caí, él tampoco está más…)), etc… así que me fui a la parte de tema libre y me enteré de al menos algo de lo que estaba pasando… Bueno, les deseo buena suerte en los nuevos foros que nos cobijen…

    Saludos, MB

  • Ronald Caetano

    Lástima en verdad. Fue una de las revistas que más le dio en el ojo a todas mis inquietudes con el PHP. Muy buenos ejemplos y lo mejor que te daba el código fuente completo. En cuanto al FORO, siendo el núcleo los usuarios! podían reorganizarse también en otras Comunidades. Lo bueno es no perder contacto.

  • chichobazz

    Che topus, que lindo recuerdos me trajeron locazos!! se iba a todo a la mierda, posta eh!! jajajaj!! que tiempos aquellos, un gran saludo a todos y cada uno de ustedes, con la mejor onda!! :)

  • p0cho

    Sin estar en desacuerdo, yo sólo agrego que no hay que opinar desde el desconocimiento. Si no sabés lo que pasa puertas adentro, no hay nada que ventilar.

    Salud

  • Hola Tehsis, me pareció muy interesante tu post contando un poco la historia del foro y la comunidad..
    Te respondo porque yo estoy trabajando en la editorial, y quería que sepas que desde adentro, sí nos importa el foro y queremos ponerle pilas para que vuelva a ser lo que fue alguna vez, somos conscientes de que lo que escribis refleja lo que muchos sienten.
    Lo cierto es que se trató en su momento de integrar el login de WordPress con el vBulletin, y no salió como era esperado, por el contrario fue un desastre. Ahora estamos probando los foros de bbPress, estamos trabajando para que el foro salga adelante de la mejor manera posible y con todo testeado..
    Va a llevar un poco más de tiempo pero una vez que todo funcione correctamente ya no va a quedar a la deriva, vamos a tener gente encargada especialmente del foro y yo personalmente voy a buscar los moderadores necesarios e idóneos para que no se pierda el control.
    Espero puedas darnos una nueva oportunidad.
    Si querés, contactame vía mail para tenerte al tanto de como sigue todo.
    Saludos!

  • Buena respuesta Julia y me alegro de escucharla :)

    Voy a volver a dar una vuelta y dar una mano en lo que pueda :)

    Saludos

  • Me alegro que te alegres! :)
    Me fijé y tenés los permisos dados en el foro para moderar.
    Voy a armar un post dando algunas explicaciones en estos días, mientras se prueba el bbPress y se ultiman detalles, como para ir tranquilizando a la gente de que hay alguien que va a dar la cara y hacerce cargo de aqui en más.
    No dudes en escribirme por cualquier consulta, la idea también es que con los moderadores estemos en contacto directo vía MSN como para resolver cualquier inquietud lo más rápido posible.
    Saludos y gracias por la buena onda!

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